• 小莱卡@lemmygrad.ml
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    4 days ago

    the west will never forgive China for liberating themselves, it is a dangerous precedent that should be chastised at all costs.

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        The meme assumes the Western context. We don’t trust the US government because of the centuries of violence and exploitation. We had to go looking for that information because it is minimized and buried at every turn by the compliant national media.

        On the other hand, the supposed abuses of the Chinese government are loudly broadcast at every turn. You’ll find if you go looking outside of Western sanctioned sources that all of those criticisms are absurd fabrications.

        Therefore, someone in the western context who says they don’t trust the US or China is trusting the US media for information about China but not about the US itself. Does that help?

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          Yeah, I think it does. But I still don’t get it why the man in the third image is with nearly closed eyes. Is he answering the question by mimicing a Chinese face, meaning China told him not to trust what China says?

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            I’m a little confused because the comic only has two panels? Additionally, in the second panel the character’s eyes are still round not any other shape - I don’t see squinting at all? (If you were trying to draw a head that small with eyes that were squinting, you would use angled lines, not circles)

            In any case, I believe the interpretation of the comic intended by the creator is: “Panel one represents what Western liberals say about China. Panel 2 represents the media environment they swim in”

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              If you see only 2 parts of the image, that means your ISP sucks and it doesn’t load the entire image.

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        He’s saying anyone that claims to not trust the West nor China only distrusts China because they were propagandized by western news sources.

        I don’t find that particularly compelling because I think assuming someone’s information diet and discarding it in order to invalidate their view is lazy. I’ll leave it at that so I don’t get put in timeout.

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    It is nice to see the western propaganda machine start to fail. I never thought I’d see the general public recognize Israel is a genocidal settler apartheid state until the last couple years, even though the propaganda machine has been working overtime for it. Hopefully other areas in propaganda start to crumble as well.

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      Born to early to explore the cosmos, too late to explore the world, but just in time to see the fall of the US empire propaganda machine 😁

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      they come with pitchforks out whenever china is framed remotively positive, straight up reinforces the meme lol

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      hah! you aint’ kiddin, focused on real-life stuff for a bit and came back to a 40+ inbox 😁 😆

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      Usians don’t like being told that their stolen land nation started by slave owners who then held a “freedom revolution” so these oligarchs to have to pay taxes while tge rest of their population does, isn’t such a great place after all.

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    Noooo my heckin wholesome Lemmy propaganda don’t you dare have any other opinion than USA#1 here or else me and my liberal friends will call your love of gross, dirty and smelly foreigners and make homophobic jokes about you having sex with Putin

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    China bad. US bad. Russia bad.

    All three can be true at the same time. (And they are)

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        Bold of you to assume I am American, did you not check the instance I am from ?

        Yes, there are many lies about China, but don’t get stuck in second opinion syndrome. China is both worse and better than you know.

        The fact the government lies about China, while China is still bad behind the scenes, can both be true. During the cold war, both sides accused the other of being evil, and both were right.

        Don’t let anyone who puts a “communist” sticker on their own forehead fool you into supporting them.

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          The fact the government lies about China, while China is still bad behind the scenes, can both be true.

          This is just vague-posting unless you actually link some credible china-bad studies that aren’t sourced from British or US state media.

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            some credible china-bad studies that aren’t sourced from British or US state media.

            University of Limpopo, South Africa, on China neocolonising Africa - https://www.jstor.org/stable/27159668. Is that credible enough for you?

            If not, is there a source that you would call credible - and if it exists, what is it?

            Note: I hope I don’t come as aggressive, I was trying to be succinct.

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            Something like a one-party political system with dear respected leader, concentration camps, surveillance, social rating system, GFW?

            Note how I don’t say anything about propaganda from every crack. That’s because western propaganda has successfully evolved in the conditions of outright censorship not being allowed. Like killing cockroaches in a building again and again you make them evolve for the poisons used in the past.

            If you are going to pick the “all this is not credible” line, then don’t bother. Also credible is a synonym for “believable”, and nobody can make you believe things you don’t want to believe.

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              The USA is a one party system in many ways so is the EU when it comes to imperialist and neoliberal policies every single party is on board doesn’t matter who you vote for.

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              Can you name a single piece of anti-China propaganda from the West that you don’t accept unquestioningly?

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      “The US is bad, but I believe everything it says about its enemies without question”

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        It doesn’t matter who said it. There isn’t a company or a government that is your “friend”. They’re all out to squeeze you

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          China has never done anything wrong to my country while the US has and continues to do so, how insane you have to be to group them together.

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          You should probably stop unquestionably believing everything the US says about its enemies then

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            What is it about my comment that makes you think i do? Fuck ALL corporations. Fuck ALL governments. Is that clear enough?

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              It’s clear that you equate an empire’s atrocities with their victim country’s self defense.

              Saying “all governments are equally bad” while the US is bombing them outright or funding their destruction is tone-deaf.

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                  Classic US foreign policy propaganda. It’s not Uyghurs, it’s specific fanatical jihadi separatists among Uyghurs who made a guest appearance among the other head choppers in Syria after the government fell and are openly looking for international support to do the same in China. You’re completely wrong if you think that all Uyghurs want to live under Sharia law in some Uyghurstan.

                  You’re basically an ISIS supporter.

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                  The majority of the world, notably Islamic countries, who’ve been bombed by US and british planes for almost a century now, disagree with you. Only the countries aligned with the US empire are buying this line.

                  You can also just go to Xinjiang, and see for yourself, unlike the main person peddling this narrative, Adrian Zenz, an anti-semitic evangelical who works for the US government, and doesn’t speak a word of mandarin.

                  https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#whats-going-on-with-the-uyghurs

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              The fact that you only do this “all lives matter!” style equivocation in one direction.

              Fuck ALL corporations. Fuck ALL governments. Is that clear enough?

              Oh? So can I get a “fuck the government of Ukraine”? How about “fuck the government of Taiwan.” How about “Fuck the republican party AND the Democratic party, neither of them are your friend, they’re both out to squeeze you”? (The last one being very different from what you were saying during the election, where, for some reason, your “everyone is bad, maaaan!” stance was nowhere to be seen…)

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                Do you just believe people can’t be anarchists…? Cause that guy just seems to be an anarchist.

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                  To be an anarchist you actually have to consistently hold anarchist positions. Not being a liberal 99% of the time and only bringing out the facade of anarchism when you need to justify acting like a western chauvinist.

                  You can’t be an anarchist and a fanatical supporter of the democratic party at the same time

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      Only the right-wing neolibs of world and their ilk, I find the users of ml and hexbear to be quite nice

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        I was referencing nation states in general, not a subsection of the working class. Don’t get me wrong, rightoids are unbearable. I wish I could vacate this planet and leave them to play their shitty reindeer games with each other.

        These institutions (nation states) garner a level of devotion much like religion, regardless of their ideology. Tribalism.

        Nation states path to power is the capability to muster greater standing armies then other more decentralized ways of life. That is why the working class is so heavily divided through these imaginary lines on the globe.

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          Downvotes are pro russian trolls

          Search engines are free. Russia criminalized gay, trans people and asexuals (the only country that specifically criminalizes asexuality iirc). You’re “defending” a fascist state lmao

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            Libs can’t fathom that the leftists actually do not actually support the capitalist, oligarchal state of Russia.

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    ingests ‘facts’ and narratives from seemingly different sources that just happen to be financially backed/owned by the same small group of people

    no logical filtering or processing takes place before regurgitating them

    “I’m a free thinker who does their own research!”

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        Jeff Bezos, one of the richest men in the world today, known for employing folks that need to pee in bottles to comply with Amazon’s inhuman procedures or face losing their jobs, buys The Washington Post

        “They will hold the truth and journalistic integrity in high regard, and I can certainly trust them to prioritise them before financial gain and anything that can be done to achieve it.”

        I SWIM IN THE SEA OF THE UNCONSCIOUS