Naive idealism is sweet but not productive.
Anarchist in their most pure form lmao
NERD FIGHT!
Guys stop killing eachother while we still do have a common enemy.
The meme Is correct since that Isnt anarchism, there Is a real anarchism wich Is very good.
Ik this Is a marxist instance but real communists dont fight anarchists, since actual anarchist have the same goals as them
Anarchists and Marxists may share the imperialists and capitalists as a common class enemy, but take their practice in different directions. Anarchism is primarily about communalization of production. Marxism is primarily about collectivization of production.
When I say “communalization,” I mean anarchists propose horizontalist, decentralized cells, similar to early humanity’s cooperative production but with more interconnection and modern tech. When I say collectivization, I mean the unification of all of humanity into one system, where production and distribution is planned collectively to satisfy the needs of everyone as best as possible.
For anarchists, collectivized society still seems to retain the state, as some anarchists conflate administration with the state as it represents a hierarchy. For Marxists, this focus on communalism creates inter-cell class distinctions, as each cell only truly owns their own means of production, giving rise to class distinctions and thus states in the future.
For Marxists, socialism must have a state, a state can only wither with respect to how far along it has come in collectivizing production and therefore eliminating class. All states are authoritarian, but we cannot get rid of the state without erasing the foundations of the state: class society, and to do so we must collectivize production and distribution globally. Socialist states, where the working class wields its authority against capitalists and fascists, are the means by which this collectivization can actually happen, and are fully in-line with Marx’s beliefs. Communism as a stateless, classless, moneyless society is only possible post-socialism.
Abolishing the state overnight would not create the kind of society Marxists advocate for advancing towards, and if anything, would result in the resumption of competition and the resurgance of capitalism if Marx and Engels predictions are correct.
Yeah
What Is the right choice…well depends
Sincerely idk, both work and have worked without a problem, on different scales of course
In general, Marxism-Leninism has been the most successful in establisbing socialist states and uplifting the lives of the people. On top of that, its theoretical groundings have been most consistently affirmed by testing in reality.
Yes marxism Is more common and i know that in marxism there isnt a sudden change so It does appeal to more people
It’s not about being common, it’s about being tested in reality and affirmed by it.
Well they both have been tested and affirmed but marxism has done a Mich bigger impact
Yes, anarchists have had some degree of localized success, but the scale and longevity of Marxist projects speaks more to its own successes over anarchism, not simply the popularity of ideas.
If you think anarchists are controllwd by the cia and designed to split the left. Why, instead of playing to there cards, dont we work with them for the parts we agree on e.g. a revolution.
Anarchists both:
- Oppose all authority.
- Are also CIA agents.
Another solid piece of logic from the red fascists.
Its because anarchism isn’t seen as a valid threat or opposition to the US empire and because of it’s ineffectiveness against capitalism, the CIA/FBI can use the promotion of anarchism to split the left, silence revolutionary activity, and attack Marxist-Leninism, an actual working ideology. People that claim to be anarchists who take it upon themselves either in real life or online to bash “tankies”, AES states, etc are doing the current state’s work for free.
red fascists
Deeply unserious term and proves my point lmao
I appreciate your response mate, I read through what you linked and I’m disappointed by its lack of depth and missing historical analysis but I enjoyed how it was written. What’s your take on Rojava today? Seems like a good, real life, counter point.
Here’s an article with an analysis on Rojava that shows its not a good, real life, counter point.
That was a much better read, still very much digesting it so I wont share my opinion yet. Thanks for the link 😁 got any foundational books that better asserts the necessities of a Vanguard party? I suppose anarchism is an easy punching bag but I’m yet to be fully convinced of the political side of marxist-leninism despite being fully commie-pilled economically.
Yeah as we can see Rojava is a state and as far as states go imo doesn’t deserve undying support. My solidarity lies with the people of the region in their struggle against imperialism, not in the leadership’s ideals and use of authority.
For questions about the vanguard and why socialism is a better proven model both politically and economically I recommend State and Revolution by Lenin.
If you would be curious what decentralization looks like under a Socialist state, this video explains Vietnam’s recent government restructure to allow for more self-regional control in it progression towards communism and the “withering away” of the state.
