Russia wants the four oblasts, which they have been accelerating their advance in in the last few months. Cheap and deadly FPV drones force slow movement in general, but in the last few months strings of Kiev-held strongholds are falling left and right. Ukraine can’t field the war much longer either, and the war is becoming increasingly unpopular. What’s likely is that the four oblasts go to Russia, Kiev is forced into NATO neutrality, and their millitary is severely crippled. That’s absolutely a Russian victory.

Which of these do you think Russia will have to compromise on, and why would you consider the compromise to be a loss?

Incredible homophobia from you. Counteract my points with your own, not mask-off homophobia. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

“Hehehe CUM hehe people who don’t support the Ukranian nazi government are GAY for a RUSSIAN man and GAY is BAD and SHAMEFUL huehuehue”

Behold: the liberal ally

There’s no evidence that the collapse in Ukrainian defenses will slow down, rather it seems like it will accelerate as strongholds fall and the war becomes increasingly unpopular. Russia isn’t trying to take all of Ukraine, just the four oblasts, the Economist is trying to frame it as total and complete conquest of Ukraine. When compared to Russia’s actual objectives, Russia is advancing steadily.

Further, Russia does not “throw meat” at the war. Russians are largely supportive of Putin right now because he’s doing a balancing act between appeasing the Russian capitalist class and the rising socialist movements in the public. Russia’s economy is holding strong, the sheer fact that sanctions are still coming out means they haven’t been effective thus far. I belong to the Marxist school of economics, which recognizes actual production over the largely financial western economies.

Your final accusation that I’m a bot for not agreeing with you is just the cherry on top. You give clear examples of liberals manipulating data like the economist graph and using percentages of total Ukrainian territory and not the Donbass region, because when we measure Russia by its ability to achieve its actual goals its clear that its rapidly advancing towards them. You’re quite literally uncritically spouting liberal, western propaganda that falls apart at the slightest prodding.

wouldn’t be too surprised to learn that you yourself are a russian bot, so uncritically do you spout moscow propaganda.

Yeah, no shit the “evidence is pervasive” when your standard of evidence for declaring someone a Russian agent is “they disagree with me”

You are a fascist, you are a Nazi ranting about Judeo-Bolshevick conspiracies, you are a McCarthyist ranting about communist subversion of our precious bodily fluids.

the evidence that russia influenced the election is pervasive.

I could name a hundred things that are both pervasive and false. Previously:

• IT Pro: Cambridge Analytica models were exaggerated and ineffective, [UK Information Commissioner’s Office] claims
• Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
• Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
• Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
• Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
• Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
• Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
• Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
• MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
• Matt Taibbi: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
• Aaron Maté: Under Trump, the CIA is still covering up its Russiagate fraud
• Matt Taibbi: Note on New Trump-Russia Disclosures Thanks to explosive new document releases, the Russiagate hoax is now exposed, commencing a new era that will be about accountability for the guilty
• Matt Taibbi: No Doubt Left: Russiagate Was a Cover-Up
• Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away The cynical con the Democratic Party and the F.B.I. carried out to falsely portray Donald Trump as a puppet of the Kremlin worked, and continues to work, because it is what those who detest Trump want to believe.

i wouldn’t be too surprised to learn that you yourself are a russian bot

These kinds of accusations get removed.

Because Russia is winning and has no reason to stop. Whether or not anyone is “okay” with Russia winning makes no difference on what the logical conclusion is, which is eventual Russian victory, as Russia is winning and Ukraine is losing even with NATO support. Russia stopping while they are ahead and the war is coming to a close is the least logical conclusion.

Jesus Christ I swear Westerners are fed through a tube.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem

Russia is doing what it’s doing, regardless of what you, BiaB, or anyone else thinks it ought to be doing.

We would absolutely be hearing rhetoric about “Antisemetic Chinese imperialism” blasted at us from every angle, quit being willfully naive.

Yes we would, and your dumbass would be screaming about it at the top of your lungs because reddit told you.

Look at how you’re approaching the Ukraine war. You’ve shown that you know nothing about what was occuring pre-Feb 2022 and are adamant that everyone else that’s trying to tell you about it in good faith is a Russian asset. To you, history started on Feb 2022; and anyone that tries to tell you otherwise for the sake of “nuance” and “context” and other frilly fuckass bullshit is a Russian asset personally getting paid by Putin himself.

Not only do you know absolutely nothing, but you have zero intention to critically engage others because of your arrogance. You won’t learn a single thing and you are adamant about not learning a single thing. That kind of behavior will absolutely not disappear in a hypothetical situation where China directly intervenes to end the genocide.

And then usa enslaves and genocides them all. Very “logical” for the people in russia to do.

“everyone is twelve” theory of politics continues to be validated, because that is a take a 12 year old would have

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you keep using this word ‘logical’ I don’t think it means what you think it means

Liberals seem to think that if enough people say (or think, idk), let’s say, “100 octillion russians dead”, that reality will change to bend to their will.

This only works in fiction written by liberals though.

I suspect that one would have better luck explaining this to a squirrel on meth.