• iAvicenna@lemmy.world
    562·
    7 days ago

    fucking trigger happy Netanyahu should be publicly dragged behind a chariot until he dies for his genocidal crimes and bringing the world to the brink of third world war.

      • kreskin@lemmy.world
        72·
        7 days ago

        Make your point. No one is here to watch your pathetic adhominem attacks. Stop wasting all of our time.

      • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
        182·
        7 days ago

        Watch out, the enlightened centrist has arrived!

        Winston Churchill, Adolf Hitler, well, they are both bad people. Let’s root for neither of them.

        • porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml
          122·
          7 days ago

          I get what you’re saying but you couldn’t have chosen a worse example… Like yeah absolutely fuck Churchill lol, he’s a huge part of the reason why we’re in this mess with Israel now

          • IttihadChe@lemmy.mlEnglish
            6·
            6 days ago

            It’s still a good example because as bad as Churchill was he was better than Hitler.

          • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
            5·
            6 days ago

            Still I would have rooted for Churchill when it comes to the conflict of Nazi Germany versus Britain because I am able to separate actions from blindly supporting everything.

            Iran too did absolutely horrible things in the past They sent a lot of children to die during their war with Iraq. The Mahsa Amani stuff everyone keeps bringing up is so lightweight but Western propagaganda is the dumbest stuff.

            However, currently Iran is aiding Palestine and fighting Israel and they are not sending children to die for it. So I support that action.

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
        204·
        7 days ago

        Most of the allies in world war 2 were horrible, repressive regimes. I would still support them.

          • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
            161·
            7 days ago

            Iran ranks 3rd in the world in numbers of engineers. 70% of them are women.
            ‘The second class citizens’ is exagerated, and often simply lies for propaganda purposes, like the Mahsa Amini case.
            The last execution of homosexuals was 20 years ago, and this was for rape, not bcs homosexuality.

            Yes many islamic countries have issues, and these are the typical hasbara machine’s ammo:
            “Let us genocide the Palestinians bcs they hate the gays!”

            Also your WW2 ‘democracies’ were - and still are in many cases - colonisers and looters of a large part of the world.

          • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
            184·
            7 days ago

            That’s hardly a reasonable comparison though is it?

            It’s entirely reasonable, you just have a white supremacist double standard.

            The allies during WW2 were mostly functioning democracies.

            The vast majority of the British Empire couldn’t vote and were considered lesser beings. The US had racial inequality inshrined into law and a habit of murdering minorities. The USSR I leave as an exercise to the reader.

            This conflict is a theocratic dictatorship

            I assume you mean Israel.

            which treats women as second class citizens

            Lol, the WW2 allies absolutely treated women as second class citizens, and criminalised homosexuality. Its also ghoulish the way westerners go "these countries treat minorities badly, so it’s ok to kill them (including the minorities). Ukraine isn’t perfect about minorities either, do you use that to say they deserve to get invaded? Oh wait, Ukraine in white.

            Both sides are fucking evil and to celebrate one over the other is ignorant.

            The British Empire was more evil than Iran by multiple orders of magnitude, yet for some reason (white supremacy) you don’t take this stance on WW2

            • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
              12·
              7 days ago

              Churchill voted greatest Briton of all times in 2016.
              A white supremacist who used the slogan ‘keep Britain white’.
              Called Jews ‘hebrew bloodsuckers’ and has murdered millions

              • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
                12·
                7 days ago

                And it’s the same people who voted him that who are now condemning Iran and defending Israel. Whatever ideology they claim to possess, the one they actually practice is white supremacy.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
      216·
      6 days ago

      Iran is not nearly as bad as Israel. A world where Iran loses and Israel loses would be a dramatic loss for the people of Iran, while if Israel loses and Iran maintains its sovereignty the people of Iran can chart their own destiny, rather than being dominated by the US and terrorized by Israel. All of this not even mentioning the cessation of the genocide of Palestine.

      • Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml
        4·
        6 days ago

        Yeah, when I said that I didn’t really adequately consider what would actually come of Iran being crippled. Civilian rule is not the likely outcome of Iran being defeated.

        And Iran isn’t as bad as Israel, I agree, but that’s a pretty low bar.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
          113·
          6 days ago

          A low bar it may be, but as you said in the beginning, a toppled Iran would end up like a toppled Iraq - utterly devastated and all of the flaws that existed pre-Iraq War seem like beauty marks after the genocidal US invasion.

          People need to chart their own destiny, free from terrorization backed by the US Empire. Without that pressure, social movements in Iran have more room to breathe without fearing rocket-fire from Israel.

      • MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca
        113·
        6 days ago

        The people of Iran would be wise to take this opportunity to actually plot their destiny.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
          131·
          6 days ago

          What would that look like? Trying to help Israel destroy Iran, allowing the US and Israel to sweep in and commit genocide against them like the US did with Iraq? The Iranian state is what currently stands between the people and utter devastation, even if that state is flawed, without it the people of Iran have no destiny to speak of. If revolution comes to Iran, it should be on Iranian terms, not on westerners whose regimes benefit from Israeli aggression against Iran.

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
              182·
              6 days ago

              Iran is a flawed state, certainly, but if Israel succeeds then they will succeed in killing far more women and queer people than the Iranian state could ever hope to execute, along with cisgender folk, liberals, etc. This is pinkwashing. As a queer person myself, this type of rhetoric is just Imperialist apologia, the path to queer liberation of Iranians would be dramatically pushed backwards if Israel succeeds in destroying Iran.

              Further, yes, Iran is necessary to stop the genocide in Palestine at this moment. When Western countries are all condemning Iran and backing Israel, it is the Global South that backs Iran. Gazans are cheering, Yemeni people are watching the bombings of Tel Aviv on the big screen. Israel has been the single greatest obstacle in queer liberation in the Middle East as the fomenter of chaos, genocide, and destabilization.

              Why is it that queer liberation happens in some countries, and not others? When does it happen? Social progress is a product of economic development and liberation of the Working Class. Bombing Iran and creating a failed state would result in thousands of deaths of queer Iranians, children, and many more.

              Do some self-crit. You’re caping for Israel and advocating for the country doing the most to oppose genocide to collapse.

  • WhyIAughta@lemmy.world
    22·
    7 days ago

    Any Israeli war criminals of consequence have probably left for their summer home in Florida 2 days ago.