Looking for some perspective on this, interested how y’all think about it and if I’m isolated in my concerns.

I’ve grown to be a bit anxious when I’m out and about in any neighborhood. The wide use of doorbell cameras that connect to the internet and save data on company servers, listen in to your conversations, and could be used for spying on you as an individual gives me a sinking feeling.

I like walking around, I walk my dogs around the neighborhood and I know my neighbors. I’ve started being so aware that it’s changing my habits. I don’t turn my face towards houses while I’m walking if I notice a doorbell camera, and I’ve put my shirt over my face when dropping off something to a neighbor who has one. I probably gave them a fright but I don’t feel like I should’ve expected to be OK with you surviving me in a way that compromises my privacy that expansively. I’m considering keeping a bandana with me to cover my face if I need to go up to a door, but of course that would make people think I’m a bad actor and just a paranoid privacy nut.

I feel a bit like Winston in the 1984 novel, always feeling watched and trying to find an isolated corner where I can’t be seen. How have y’all been feeling on this? Would love to get perspective, thanks

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    9 hours ago

    You are right to be wary of that behavior as it is spreading.

    That being said I believe it’s good to be mindful of the “paranoid privacy nut” in the sense that… WHO are you concerned might have WHICH information about you?

    I don’t know you but… if I were to find your name I could find your address or at least roughly where you live. In fact depending on what you post one could potentially know your neighborhood without even knowing your name. Now I didn’t know you had a pet, now I do. That being said even without a pet… if you live somewhere you are expected to walk around your neighborhood. It might be to go buy milk, help neighbors, drop mail, etc. There is relatively no new information there. Your neighbors might know you are around, their doorbell cameras might have footage of you doing so… and what? How is the confirmation that a perfectly average behavior is indeed coherent? What also NOT having that footage bring? Maybe you are traveling and thus not with your pet but maybe you also are sick.

    So… I agree with you that all those cameras with footage are not healthy but also what do they genuinely add or remove? I would argue in principle a lot but in practice not so much. I would even argue to biggest impact is unwarranted stress and concerns, the chilling effect.

    Walk freely however you want, it’s your neighborhood, ignore the cameras.

    PS: as someone already pointed out, one does not need video cameras to track your movement and patterns, using wireless signal (5G/4G, WiFi, BT) on your phone is enough.

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    You would hate living in my apartment – there are at least seven doorbell cameras on my floor, and more cameras in the elevators and parking garage.

    I understand your privacy concerns but I don’t do anything to conceal myself around doorbell cameras. I know I’m recorded by dozens of cameras and other devices every time I leave home. Trying to conceal my face would make me stand out more and might look suspicious to my neighbors. So it’s better to be boring and not give the neighbors anything interesting to look at. Those cameras are here to stay and soon almost every home will have them.

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    I take some evasive measures if I know someone has a camera but generally it’s something I try not to think about. Our culture encourages privacy invasion and most people are happy to give up their own (or others’) if they’re told to. You’ve just gotta assume every step you take outside your house is being recorded

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    I don’t turn my face towards houses while I’m walking if I notice a doorbell camera

    I do that haha… In all seriousness, I’ve recently quit my job as mailman, in part because of this. Year after year I saw the number of doorbell cameras increase, and so grew my discomfort of my job requiring me to expose myself, to these privacy-hostile situations. The worst case scenarios were semi-detached houses: since the doors to the paired addresses are right beside another. Between the entries there’s often (decorative) separation, requiring some acrobatics to shortcut to the next address. If the second address would have a doorbell camera, while requiring me to sidestep between the obstructions, I could either: A) face the door and have my face right up to the camera, or B) turn my back to it and spin back into position. I did the latter, and I HATED having to adapt my seemingly simple job to this extend, just to protect my dignity.

    The Netherlands technically requires a sign which indicates camera surveillance, besides having to direct cameras in such a way that they cannot capture the public sphere. But have a guess at how much enforcement there is in this regard…

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      Glad to know I’m not the only one. I’ve actually thought about how this is effecting mail carriers, but never got the opportunity to hear that side. I would be really conflicted in that position too, I bet that was a really hard thing to decide on, but good on you for doing something since it was so disturbing.

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      13 hours ago

      One of the very few things I liked about covid was (somewhat) normalising face coverings. But now that’s mostly gone

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        14 hours ago

        It lowkey literally is. They make these stretchy pull over balaclava things as athletic wear that you can pull up over your face.