Obama (i can naver remember his surname) My guy founder of world peace!
This is gonna be a good one
Lemmy seemingly is more anti Soviet than Reddit, unless you’re talking about the main Reddit subs which is cheating. Seriously I’ve never seen people who consider themselves socialist to be so vehemently anti ussr especially without providing why; atleast on Reddit lots of people try liking Wikipedia or something lmfao
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The USSR had steady and consistent economic growth, and provided free, high quality education and healthcare, full employment, cheap or free housing, and fantastic infrastructure and city planning that still lasts to this day despite capitalism neglecting it. This rapid development resulted in dramatic democratization of society, reduced disparity, doubling of life expectancy, tripling of functional literacy rates to 99.9%, and much more. Living in the 1930s famine would not have been good, but it was the last major famine outside of wartime because the soviets ended famine in their countries.
Literacy rates, societal guarantees in the 1936 constitution, reports on the healthcare system over time, and more are good sources for these claims.
The USSR brought dramatic democratization to society. First-hand accounts from Statesian journalist Anna Louise Strong in her book This Soviet World describe soviet elections and factory councils in action. Statesian Pat Sloan even wrote Soviet Democracy to describe in detail the system the soviets had built for curious Statesians to read about, and today we have Professor Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance to reference.
When it comes to social progressivism, the soviet union was among the best out of their peers, so instead we must look at who was actually repressed outside of the norm. In the USSR, it was the capitalist class, the kulaks, the fascists who were repressed. This is out of necessity for any socialist state. When it comes to working class freedoms, however, the soviet union represented a dramatic expansion. Soviet progressivism was documented quite well in Albert Syzmanski’s Human Rights in the Soviet Union.
The truth, when judged based on historical evidence and contextualization, is that socialism was the best thing to happen to Russia in the last few centuries, and its absence has been devastating.
Death rates spiked:
And wealth disparity skyrocketed alongside the newly impoverished majority:
Capitalism brought with it skyrocketing poverty rates, drug abuse, prostitution, homelessness, crime rates, and lowered life expectancy. An estimated 7 million people died due to the dissolution of socialism and reintroduction of capitalism, and the large majority of post-soviet citizens regret its fall. A return to socialism is the only path forward for the post-soviet countries.
When you look at the US Empire and western Europe as having higher quality of life than the USSR, you are looking at the benefits of imperialism, colonialism, and neocolonialism and wishing the USSR also practiced this, instead of helping liberate colonies and the global south. Russia in particular was a semi-feudal backwater in 1917, and made it to space 5 decades later. The USSR was not the picture of wealth, but was for its time the picture of development and rapid progress.
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They rapidly developed, and managed to go their entire existence without the regular boom/bust cycles intrinsic to capitalism, due to having a socialist economy.
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They’re both shit.
One saved Europe from Nazism, the other dropped like 80 bombs on the middle east every day he was in office.
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On the whole, soviet prisons and the justice system itself were more progressive than their peers, Mary Stevenson Callcott documented it quite well in Russian Justice.
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Yep, the soviet union had prisons, and had to deal with fascists, traitors, and holdovers from former Tsarism. Read the book I linked, prisoners on average were treated better than in peer countries.
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Alexander Solzhenitsyn was an anti-semitic Nazi sympathizer, and was arrested as such. His fiction is based on the folklore of the gulag system, and archival evidence and historical texts paint a much clearer picture of the soviet prison system. He’s essentially Yeonmi Park but for the USSR.
Here’s a real quote:
From an excellent thread going over his many ideological failings:
In his 2003 book, Two Hundred Years Together, he wrote that “from 20 ministers in the first Soviet government one was Russian, one Georgian, one Armenian and 17 Jews”. In reality, there were 15 Commissars in the first Soviet government, not 20: 11 Russians, 2 Ukrainians, 1 Pole, and only 1 Jew. He stated: “I had to bury many comrades at the front, but not once did I have to bury a Jew”. He also stated that according to his personal experience, Jews had a much easier life in the Gulag camps that he was interned in.
According to the Northwestern University historian Yohanan Petrovsky-Shtern: Solzhenitsyn used unreliable and manipulated figures and ignored both evidence unfavorable to his own point of view and numerous publications of reputable authors in Jewish history. He claimed that Jews promoted alcoholism among the peasantry, flooded the retail trade with contraband, and “strangled” the Russian merchant class in Moscow. He called Jews non-producing people (“непроизводительный народ”) who refused to engage in factory labor. He said they were averse to agriculture and unwilling to till the land either in Russia, in Argentina, or in Palestine, and he blamed the Jews’ own behavior for pogroms. He also claimed that Jews used Kabbalah to tempt Russians into heresy, seduced Russians with rationalism and fashion, provoked sectarianism and weakened the financial system, committed murders on the orders of qahal authorities, and exerted undue influence on the prerevolutionary government. Petrovsky-Shtern concludes that, “200 Years Together is destined to take a place of honor in the canon of russophone antisemitica.”
His own wife called the Gulag Archipelago “folklore,” why on Earth are you listening to a rabid anti-semite and fiction author over actual historical evidence? I already said the soviets imprisoned fascists, you’re giving a great example of one and proving my point.
The pinnacle of liberal philosophy
Stalin was more good than bad, Obama more bad than good. Both made mistakes, but Stalin was the leader of the world’s first socialist state during its most turbulent period, while Obama was an imperialist warmonger.
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He dropped like 80 drone bombs on 9 middle-east countries every day of his presidency, and empowered finance capital.
Gonna guess they chose him knowing he’s the liberal’s darling and would trigger you.
That’s the point! Your best president sucked.
the best us president
the only president who was actually good to the country
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lmao even
The fact that this genocidal sack of shit was you lr ‘best’ president is the point https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush
killed hundreds of thousands of civillians
A total of 563 strikes, largely by drones, targeted Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen during Obama’s two terms
100.000/563 = 177
Goddamn what kinds of missiles/bombs were those drones packing? Were they dropping nuclear warheads?Yeah that i can see resulting in a death toll in the hundred thousands
Obama turned Libya into the disaster it is now. Are Libyans not people to you?
Asking a liberal whether they have empathy to people outside their imperial core is impossible. They’d have to start seeing them as humans and not some numbers that they can downplay in order to justify their atrocities.
Justice for Libya
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