• citizenAlex@lemmy.ml
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    There won’t be real reforms from Democrats because they’re complicit and invested in the system staying exactly as it is. Just “nicer.”

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      Noooooooooo! STOP SAYING THIS! YOU’RE GOING TO MAKE THE REPUBLICANS WIN!!!

      STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP! THIS IS WHY KAMALA LOST!

      SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!

      I have traced your IP Address and confirmed you are a Russian Bot! MODS! MODS! BAN THIS ACCOUNT!

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        You must be bad at tracing IP addresses because I’m not a Russian bot. And the Democrats have ALREADY made the Republicans win, in case you haven’t noticed. I’m pointing out that political parties are a corruption of our politics and should not have direct electoral access. They should be like any other special interest group.

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        I honestly can’t tell if you’re joking but Kamala lost because her policies were fascism light instead of anything representing the working class. If the Dems want working people’s vote they have to do something for them, not just say “I’m not Trump”.

        I voted blue but completely get why people wouldn’t, lessor of two evils is still evil. If the only thing a system has to offer is evil then it’s time for that system to collapse, simple as that

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          I couldn’t tell either.

          We need to work to change the system. Ranked choice voting, nonpartisan elections and legislatures, etc. Oh, and money isn’t speech. It’s power.

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          Kamala lost because her policies were fascism light

          Okay, but that’s better than fascism, right? So stop criticizing fascism lite! It’s only hurting the opponents of fascism!

          Well… okay, maybe the police and prosecutors that Kamala Harris organized during her time as California AG hurt the opponents of fascism a bit more. But that was before we had a dang Cheeto in the White House. So, let bygones be bygones and focus on the future.

          I voted blue but completely get why people wouldn’t

          I will be very angry at you anyway. If you upset even a single independent voter on the fence about voting for Kamala, you have committed Word Crime against the cause of the Stopping Trump.

          lessor of two evils is still evil

          That’s exactly what a Russian would say. I’ve outed you as a nefarious FSB superagent here to bring down American Democracy and turn us into a nightmare hellscape of Soviet Style Communism, which is what Russia is right now.

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      Exactly. The current system of government isn’t democracy, it’s competitive authoritarianism.

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    Revolution is necessary, because the bourgeois state cannot be dismantled and a proletarian state put in place via peaceful means.

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        Hence the supreme court decision and the mad rush to gerrymander the fuck out of every state they can.

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            While that’s true, I do think that neither of those camps is willing to so much as slide back into a welfare state (even with extra imperialism on the side). The DNC doesn’t want any more Mamdanis (even though he’s a socdem at best), and if they think this’ll prevent that, they’ll let it happen, no matter how much they claim to oppose it. If there were any possibility of an actual socialist being elected, we’d see way worse than this.

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                We should make room for for third and fourth party candidates wherever we can. There are states that implement nonpartisan elections in some ways. Nebraska has a unicameral, nonpartisan legislature.

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                I think you may be right. I just hope we can get them to move left instead of right. Nate Bear’s recent post really gave me pause, because I know a lot of people who want to maintain their treats above all else. I want to have some faith in humanity, but we’re definitely going to have our work cut out for us, I think.

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    I would vote for a candidate that begins the process of devolving the Union so we can eventually divorce into separate countries. I think we are doomed for civil war either way. As a Californian, when they’re doing stuff like systematically disenfranchising us, withholding our Medicaid dollars and attacking our public universities despite us contributing more to the treasury than we take back, it’s hard to feel like an American. I’d prefer to be a citizen of California than share a country with these freaks. Winning elections won’t make me feel any better after seeing how they despise and want to destroy us.

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    I agree with you, the Democrats aren’t going to reform anything, even if they wanted to (and they don’t).

    A financial collapse seems inevitable at this point, Balkanization may be a very good thing. There’s no need for a civil war, we’re nicely divided already and have functioning state governments that will quickly replace the Federals. That’s best case scenario.

    Worst case scenario? Civil War II, but really, “The South” has even less of a chance of winning now. This seems unlikely. Best to just cut them off and stop propping up their miserable states, within a generation or two they will learn that they need us (coastal cities) far more than we need them.

    Jesus isn’t going to come save the day, no matter what The Christian Broadcasting Network says.

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      I too thought collapse was imminent until I learned about stablecoins. When nobody is left to purchase the debt… What happens?

      This is where stablecoins come in. They are taking dollars, buying debt, keeping the interest as profit and issuing digital dollars.

      It’s a cycle that can continue as long as the US government can pay for the interest…

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    “I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think, vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed, it might be done.”

    • John Brown
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      It’s an interesting question for the pseudo-communist progressives attached to the democratic party: are they really the kind of people who would be in charge of a communist North America? They don’t look Mexican, Black, or Native American to me. I’m not an identity essentialist but the way they’re attached to white political & intellectual apparatuses proves it’s not serious before you even get to discussing tactics.

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        I guess that you have to live outside the US to see what a scary man-baby it is. If a country has all the power in the world, and then decides that rules don’t apply to them, it quite a short step to wishing that they would fail and leave the rest of us alone. The delusion is that they have adopted the world cop role. The reality is that they are the world bully.

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    The US needs to be dismantled. There’s no such thing as fixing a settler colonial state. Everything about it is very young and paper thin, from its philosophies to its narratives to its borders to its laws to its “culture” to its religions. None of it will withstand the slow and inexorable resistance of the world’s people.

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    I’ve always believed that we were living through the collapse of the American Hegemony, but I could never describe the system until I read about the Imperial Boomerang and the Five Phase Lifecycle which captures the US’ expansionist policies post WW2. Except we never needed war, we had the petrodollar.

    The problem when you have a system that centralized, you have one major factor, and then the inability to grow leads to the empire turning within with its expansionist policies towards its people. Its the perfect system to have an incompetent boob turn cruel. And once that happens, everyone senses something wicked on the horizon. Soft power with allies completely vanishes. New allegiances are forged. A new hyperpower emerges. And the most defensive behavior is to protect your own interests – which accelerate the inevitable collapse.

    The US is a very big country, and any future shape will have it more like a confederation – either officially in its successor states, or more likely by Balkanization. Whether or not its the New America we want, well, I’m not that clairvoyant.

    I hope this makes sense, I’m not a political expert. All I am certain of, in my gut, is that Trump is the final manifestation of the decline phase, and this is the final act. The Roman empire went through many drastic ‘collapses’ in its span, this doesn’t mark the end of America, but of the current post-WW2 hegemony? The one driven by the GI Bill and Technological progress? We aren’t coming back from this.

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    As things stand, unfortunately, the far-right is significantly better armed and better prepared for a breakdown in government.

    While I would prefer to peacefully reform the system, it’s increasingly clear that there’s validity to the saying, “If you want peace, prepare for war.” The fact that the right is better positioned for a breakdown in order allows them to push further and further without fear. Civil war or revolution isn’t going to be something the left chooses, rather, if current trends continue (and it seems like they will) we may end up in a situation where it’s forced upon us and we are left but no choice to defend ourselves.

    It’s not necessarily an all-or-nothing deal. There are methods of fighting back that are more effective than relying on the Democrats but don’t constitute full-on revolution, such as strikes. While strikes are non-violent, history has shown that they have potential to become violent, for example, if a boss hires mercenaries to force people back to work at gunpoint.

    Likewise, if masked gunmen started showing up to people’s workplaces, demanding some of the workers to be handed over to be taken as hostages, workers need to be prepared to deal with that emergency.

    Practically speaking, even if you wanted a revolution, there’s now way that would even be viable while practical steps for community defense have not been made. I’m not sure it’s rhetorically necessary to go further than that, particularly on a public forum.

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      I’m only quibbling with the right is better prepared.

      The core issue for them is they are building their preparedness around “rugged individualism” and we prepare with resilient communities.

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        Great point I don’t see made enough. The right in the US is better armed, but preparedness involves more than just arms. Obviously creating communities and networks is incredibly important as well.

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    This is related to why I’m so nervous about teaching social studies next year. Can anyone help me think about how to teach US history without shoving a bunch of propaganda down middle school throats?

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    No.

    No.

    Elections were meant to be bloodless revolution. What about “You are forced to vote for someone who doesn’t represent you” screams bloodless revolution?

    Usually this is where I would make a long winded comment about replacing First-past-the-post voting with a voting system that allows more then two parties to exist without a spoiler effect… but that time has long since passed us by.

    Democrats refused to implement the change Obama promised, Republicans eventually won. GG no RE. Good luck out there yall.

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    The degree of the chaos between current governmental state and a better government is the concern i always wonder about. One thing we know is that the rich dont want it to fundamentally change. Even the dems. When biden was comforting a group of megawealthy donors and assuring them that ‘nothing would fundamentally change’ with him in charge, he was speaking for the party. And they havent budged from there. They are not friends of the common people but they are somewhat closer to us than the gop.