I’ve cancelled my subscription yesterday, conveniently it was about to renew at the end of the week, so I have a few days to migrate from Proton, here’s what I’m thinking of, but I’d love to hear what other people are switching to
If you are on iOS I recommend KeeForge as there are no payments aside from donations and it supports KeePassXC and KBDX formats
Obsidian is proprietary. It can go fuck itself.
I switch from obsidian to Joplin because it has e2ee while obsidian does not but they’re kinda cut from the same cloth
I’ve switched email providers a few times, but I bought a custom domain and use that as my email address. Which makes switching providers easy. I’m sure I don’t need to mention that in a Privacy community, but figured I would anyway.
I went from an @gmail, to @proton (then bought the domain), then switched to Fastmail with same domain.
i was already using ente auth, i went straight back to bitwarden, and i was on the free tier the whole time on proton anyway
I’ve been using KeePassXC with Syncthing for years and it’s been great as a password manager for myself. But I don’t need to share those credentials with anyone.
I’ve tried that exact setup but Syncthing kept not detecting changes or creating conflicts… So I’m still stuck with Proton Pass :/ (it’s a good password manager, but Andy Yen is being too much of a loser)
I’m tired of keeping a book of grudges everytime a CEO says something. I’ll be waiting for now.
Like, it’s my business email, it’s on my cards and my site and pretty much everything else related to the business. Just change all that!?
Your business email is a @proton.me address?
You mentioned a website, wouldn’t you rather have an address @ your website domain?
Site is hosted by the accounting software I use, template based and I do no e-commerce.
Proton Mail is free and reasonably secure/not fucking Google, and I don’t computer enough to host my own site.
I cut lawns and maintain gardens, I just need to be reachable.
I don’t computer enough to host my own site.
You mean savvy or cost?
If it’s cost, you can have a simple site and email with your own domain for something like $30 a year.
I cut lawns and maintain gardens,
Do you own your rake and gloves or rent/borrow them?
It’s the same thing having a domain. Really basic but essential tool that it makes sense to own it and have no surprises or changes at anybody else’s whim.
For the future, it might be worth buying your own domain. Besides looking cool, switching providers is as simple as changing your MX records.
For real. A CEO is a figurehead and can be removed at any time
this is exhausting
It is. I just made the switch last year and spent forever making hide-my-e-mail adresses for every service , web page and online store I had subscribed to. My Proton subscription just renewed so I guess I’ll wait another 11 months to see how this pans out before I make a decision.
I started with those, but then thankfully quickly realized it’s a great form of vendor lock.
It’ll still be a pain to migrate, but at least not AS bad as it could have been.
Hide-my-emails keep working after you leave proton if you have your own domain. I left proton last year and the alias I created there still point to my email address. But you have to have it point to a custom domain email address
I don’t know if I’d still suggest Bitwarden with the dual-licensing drama from not too long ago and the new CEO.
Pretty funny to suggest anti-open-source Obsidian in a privacy subreddit
subreddit
A what?
Pretty funny to reference anti-open-source reddit in a privacy community
Oops
If you’re not paying for sync services and cautious about which community plugins you choose, what is the risk factor? Genuinely asking, not being a contrarian on purpose.
I’ve stuck with Obsidian for the simple reason that the file format is a folder of plain text files. So data extraction if I decide to leave to another app is easy. Joplin changes the text file names and adds metadata to each file which is no good in my use case. So I’ve skipped it.
Bitwarden is getting worse btw unless you’re running it yourself
What did I miss?
Moving towards closed source: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Bitwarden-Open-Source-Concerns
Which takes away the only good thing about them
closed source security products are a contradiction in terms
Wasn’t this reversed tho?
I would maybe hold off on choosing Bitwarden. Around the time they raised their pricing they started getting venture capitalist money so the enshittification there may be coming. As far as alternatives, the only other one I’ve used besides Proton is KeePass which could be make or break depending on how you setup the vault, I’d probably save it in something pCloud so you aren’t screwed should something happen to your server, but YMMV.
how about tuta mail?
I’ve been using it for about a year for random stuff but weirdly i do not enjoy the ux
Tuta has been bulletproof
…but their app is only…functional. It works. But no quality of life. One thing, swiping messages is SLOW. I don’t even bother marking email as read anymore because it’s like two seconds per swipe. I usually just catch up in the desktop app when it gets annoying by selecting all and marking as read. Not that it matters on iOS, unread is only an icon on the phone until you open the app, then it’s (usually) cleared. When they updated their spam filters a couple months back, the new message notification would pop up on the lock screen, then when I clicked it, it would be gone. Then show up in spam a little later.
I really want to support the service. I’ve been with them a year. I make do with the app, but it’s so hard to recommend them. I wish they’d get some modernization in the app though.
It is sad to there is no a stable concrete pro-privacy too many alternatives. More alternatives are better
people better get familiar with docker
Mind giving a bit of a breakdown of why? I’m new to Linux and heard a lot about docker (I think its like separate boxes for an apps?) after I switched and it just seemed too much at the time so I’ve put it on the back burner (was stotally new to terminal stuff).
I’m about to try rigging up an old laptop for self hosting and trying to learn. Was thinking of figuring out docker first before trying immich, keepass, calendar with calDAV and it’s all pretty overwhelming lol.
Well I don’t know much on docker myself. I use it for selfhosting containerized server stuff on local network only. Since Flatpak apps are sandboxed already (only install verified ones and intall Flatseal).
You can mimick a lot of cloud services with docker containers, that’s why I mentioned it. It’s the surest way to have control over your data. Don’t forget to make it rootless after installing.
Best you can do is get on with it at your pace, treat it like a fun hobby, try stuff, break stuff, read documentation, look at examples and learn.
Also regarding using a laptop as a server, don’t forget to remove the battery. Still running it 24/7 might chew a bit on your electricity bill. ARM devices are more beneficial here.
I’m enjoying vacation totally out of the loop here, what Proton did? Fascism or fascism?
CEO and other top admins are AI apologists. Wants their developers to work more AI code than the traditional way. There’s concerns this could make Proton code less secure. Lemmy and Reddit are up and arms about the AI.
So if I like AI I should use them?
I think in reality it is more about the arrogance and the trump-adjacent world view. Also, a typical management line about AI being the critical tool to use without regard for its weaknesses.
I want to ditch Proton for obvious reasons but I’m really stuck on what VPN to switch to. They all seem to suck in their own special ways.
Because of people being driven away from proton I have been suggesting it more than usual, but the simplest and most correct answer if you value your own safety is mullvad.
The service speaks for itself and there is nothing that compares. Several people have replied to me when I suggest mullvad saying “what about one of the founders donations to a Swedish far right political party?” so rather than extol the many virtues of literally the best vpn service out there I will spend time explaining the thing they’re talking about.
There is a party in Sweden called orebro. It is a small political party based in the city of orebro and has varied platforms. One is a policy called remigration which broadly refers to deporting non ethnically Swedish people from the country. I am tiptoeing around explicitly calling this a far right policy because frankly Europe as a whole is trending against migration so it may reflect window shifting more than goose stepping and I am a communist and no communist nation in history has ever operated on open borders however the word remigration as a description of their platform is, let’s just say an ethnically charged dogwhistle.
The party’s other platforms are what could be called left or even schizophrenic and someone described it as “Marxist revisionist” and that’s probably true.
One of the two founders of mullvad, Daniel berntsson, donated half a million kronor to orebro.
Do you consider that policy right wing? Is it bad enough to outweigh the other platforms of the orebro party? What portion of the half million kronor donation would you consider to be going to that platform as opposed to the party’s many other platforms? What portion of that donation comes from berntssons stake in mullvad? What portion of your five dollars a month supported the party or if you take a more nuanced view, that particular policy? Is it even possible to ethically consume services under capitalism? When you pass on will the portion of this purchase that can be traced to that policy by Anubis’ accounting staff make your soul heavier than a feather?
Only you can answer those questions. I would recommend you instead answer the following question: is that enough to cause you to accept a worse quality and more unsafe service?
If it is, a similar but not equivalent service is ivpn, but as a current user of their service it is more complex, easier to screw up and has not been tested to the extent of mullvad.
Wow! This is an incredibly helpful reply. Thanks for the clarification, I didn’t know the full story. This inspired me to do some additional research on the Örebro party and their policies. To be honest, many of their policies are very forward-thinking and would be helpful for any country. I don’t agree with all of the policies, but that’s generally the way of politics.
I will likely be moving to Mullvad in the near future!
