I don’t think further conversation on this chain will be productive. Spouting irrelevant rhetoric with strenuous relations while completely neglecting any of the points I’ve made can only go so far.

Also, to call me a contrarian, while being unable to acknowledge that you have a severe marketing issue I think is a great microcosm of the attitudes here.

You feel that being angry and isolated enough will somehow spread change, forgetting that you’re probably in the sub 1% in terms of groups of people, and haven’t made a dent into the other 99%

they have, insistently.

Where?

A few people trying to try something doesnt mean they succeeded at trying said things.

I mean, here we are on lemmy where people insist on nonsensical revolutions and have hated the idea of working to change parties; the only pragmatic solution, for ever.

look into the history of leftist movements, and don’t be an asshole.

Calling me an asshole implicitly, after asking me to make your argument for you is actual asshole behaviour.

I don’t even know what to respond to a comment like this except to point out that you are absolutely hurting every cause you say you believe in with rhetoric like this.

This response doesnt even seem congruent with mine. Im not even sure what you;re responding to here.

None of these have been done.

You’ve done nothing, and pretend it doesnt work.

Truly.

They are not representative of what any sane person wants.

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Gwyneth seems to mean well albeit ignorant,

Giving this much benefit of the doubt to people will be the end of us all.

I’m serious. Hanlons razor, that stupid rule of thumb, has probably caused the most harm of any phrase ever uttered.

The most important thing is to first have a governing body that governs the police, without being police.

Without this, nothing here matters because they haze, and brutalize those who do not conform to their awful internal group standards.

You can literally see what happens to good cops. They get forced out.

The problem with your post, is that you can’t help someone who does not want to be helped.

Ideally that type of person would be kicked out of the force, but instead they comprise of the majority of these forces.

Just to be clear, many if not most agencies have mandatory psych evals, visits etc after different types of incidents, but as you can see, they just don’t solve the problem.