What you are ignoring is that despite that Hamas colaborate with non islamist groups.

I do not dispute or ignore this

The problem is that your argument is used to deligetimize Hamas as a resistsnce group.

I don’t agree with you here, you are viewing this issue as black and white, ignoring the shades of grey that most of the world actually lives in. In trying to undermine their opponent Israel helped create a new one that was more violent and aggressive. It initially looks as though this was a mistake by Israel but it was the subtext for the subsequent genocide in Gaza.

The point is not to delegitimise Hamas but to show how the Israeli propaganda and colonial expansion work hand in hand.

But most people are not dumb

You give people too much credit, the evidence all around us including but not limited to what is happening in Gaza should be proof of this. Mass media indoctrination of islamophobia over the last 30 years has achieved its goal of manufacturing the consent required to dehumanise Muslim people in the Middle East. If people understood there would never have been a genocide in Gaza.

They undwrstand settler colonialism is one of the worst thing ever

The vast majority of people don’t understand that Israel is a settler colonial state in the first place and think the Jewish population has always been in “Israel”.

You don’t seem to understand that Hamas can be both an indigenous resistance group retaliating against Israel and financed by Israel in its early years as a religious counterbalance to the secular PLO.

You also don’t seem to understand how it is beneficial to Israel to be fighting a group like Hamas over the PLO in how Israel presents this conflict to the media and the world. Israel can point at Hamas and say “look at these Muslim extremists, you can’t negotiate with them. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, looks what Hamas do to women and gays! This war is to do with religion, the Muslims always want to destroy the Jews.” This narrative was not possible against the PLO, if you can’t see how this situation favours Israel when selling the story to the Western audiences and how Israel much prefers it this way you are hopelessly myopic.

Israel did not fund Hamas. Qatar send funds to the Hamas goverment.

I am not talking about this funding, I am speaking about their early funding, back before they were even called Hamas. Yitzek Segev, former Israeli general and military governor of Gaza in the early 1980s admitted as much in an interview with the New York Times.

You seem obsessed with defending Hamas’s autonomy to the point where you are blinded to Israel’s larger game plan. The fact that Israel provided funding to Hamas in its early days does not delegitimise Hamas as an organisation.

Russia has been getting its cheeks clapped pretty hard by Ukraine lately. I am sure the Russians are looking to grab on to any little successes they can to try and break out of their current death spiral.

It’s cute that the Russians are still using the word “liberate” to describe the capturing of foreign territory in an illegal land grab. Reminds me of when a pickpocket “liberates” a wallet from a marks pocket.

My point has nothing to do with the PA and is not an assessment or comparison between the PA and Hamas and who is doing the more effective work today. I believe Israel has been committing a slow genocide in Palestine ever since 1948 that has recently turned into an outright in your face genocide. Israel is a genocidal apartheid settler colonial ethnostate. I am not anti Hamas and understand their position that armed conflict is their only choice against total destruction.

I would also known what the point exactly of saying israel used Hamas to sabotage the PLO

The point of saying it is to show that Israel funded a group of religious extremists to destroy Yasser Arafat’s PLOs progress towards peace and a two state solution.

Israel found it difficult to demonise the secular PLO to Western audiences. Muslims are a much easier enemy to forment in western minds. Israel has been one of the major international forces driving islamophobia in western minds, manufacturing consent for the middle eastern forever wars the west has been in for the last few decades (ironic considering the Israelis love screaming “antisemitism” over the slightest perceived slight ).

How can it be used to help palestinians today.

By understanding how Israel has been manufacturing consent in the consent to view Muslims as lesser and lower the Western audiences sympathy when it comes to Israel’s genocide of Arabic and now Iranian people. It is hard to argue that Israel has not been success in its task when watching the framing of this conflict in western media.

If it was a good faith argument , people would mention that the plo fall for it

This is not necessary for it to be a good faith argument, I struggle to comprehend your line of thought here?

The PLO didn’t fall for anything either, they called out Israel’s actions at the time but had little power to actually do anything about it as they didn’t control the media narrative. This is still irrelevant to whether or not the argument is in good faith or not.

Is the whole article not a bit of a straw man, the only people I have heard claiming Israel created Hamas are those who have misinterpreted the often muddy history of this conflict. Given Israel’s past actions accusations like this are not unfounded.

Based on the evidence available it is likely that Israel assisted Hamas in its early days to form an Islamic counterweight to the secular PLO in the age old divide and conquer strategy. The article itself states;

To acknowledge that Israel exploited “the existence of Hamas to further divide the Palestinians and facilitated control over them, is one thing.”

“To claim that Israel invented or created Hamas is totally another, if absurd, thing,” Hroub said.

It is clear that the Israeli government prefers their opposition to be what they can describe as “Muslim extremists” rather than a secular organisation. Israel’s assistance to a nascent Hamas went hand in hand with their and USA’s manufactured mass media islamophobia indoctrination.

This article focuses mostly on the disagreements between the PLO and Hamas while glossing over Yitzhak Segev’s admissions to Shipler. There is a fascinating account out there by David Shipler of the Israeli governments attempts to stop the articles publication after they found out about Sergevs admissions.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine is now in its 5th year with Russian army just a few KM from where they started in 2022. It is pretty clear that Russia has already failed in Ukraine.

Now Russia has started calling in universities to start forcing the bottom 2% of college students to sign up for the army as drone operators in a sure sign that Russia is struggling to get the required numbers to sign up to die for mother Russia.

Russia has been on the back foot and losing territory for 2 months now, I would be surprised to see Russia come back from this shift in momentum now. I think the Iran war will not be a big enough distraction to steady the ship for Russia.

Does this link work for anyone? Little bit of research suggests that “swentr” is a domain Russian state propaganda is using to get around sanctions on RT and Sputnik.

I swear Russian propaganda was much better earlier in the war. I wonder are they running out of time, money or people because this is just weak.

We prepared for that, we lined up a type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat

No worries, it’s hard to keep track of who America has screwed over and when.

It was the CIA who put the “Shah” into power in the 1953 coup. Before this Iran had a democratically elected prime minister who nationalised the country’s oil, his name was Mohammad Mosaddegh. The USA have never been big fans of middle Eastern countries controlling their own oil.