I can sniff you from afar

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Cake day: November 9th, 2022

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  • It’s not the overall history of Christianity that I’m defending, it’s the basis of Jesus that attracted such followers to such religion, if he existed

    I still remember the story in which he drove out the sellers from the temple

    The time that he drew away Matthew, a tax collector,

    And his fate that he was executed by the Roman gov’t and its Judean Pharisee collaborators, for challenging the latter’s rule

    Was he pro-imperial when he got killed for that, like the commenter said?

    And even if it’s just a story, its not unfeasible that his story was based of separate real life people

    The worst I’d call Jesus would be that he is Utopian



  • Edit: ok I think you’re proving my point, that verse is Ephesians 6:5, which is a letter written by Paul the Apostle (note that this guy is a ex-Pharisee Roman-turned Christian, who has many reasons to co-opt his message)

    Here’s an actual verse from Jesus

    In Luke 4:18-19, Jesus quotes Isaiah in his mission statement: “He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free.”

    Now, frankly, both Jesus and Paul did use language of slave-master relationship, but it doesn’t necessitate that to earthly masters, at least in Jesus’ case (as he was a rebel and troublemaker to the local Roman-collaborator Pharisee order) , but merely to God

    In fact, I’d prefer this interpretation of Christ, as a culmination to Jewish liberatory practices against debt

    Nathan: I just pulled up the full text from Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 10: “Proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubilee unto you” (with reference to the Jewish word for the periodic debt forgivenesses). And then the last line, “you shall return every man unto his possession, and you shall return every man unto his family.” So that’s interesting. So with the mention of Leviticus Chapter 25—this is really the part of your whole rap, sir, that I just find to be absolutely electrifying—could you describe to us how Jesus fits into this situation as the culmination of Jewish prophecy, as a product of Jewish tradition, and describe Jesus’ role in all this, as described in Luke Chapter 4?

    You can read more from Michael Hudson’s article



  • The de’il, no

    He wasn’t pro-imperial, as much as he was an active pacifist, and perhaps subversive against the established Pharisee order (tho his actions in the temple, against commercializing his father’s house of prayer was somewhat militant)

    But as much as he may be relatively progressive for his time, his message is co-optable, especially when the Romans took up his movement to justify their empire

    Besides, he lived in a slave society, not a capitalist society… (are you a dullard?) How would he oppose something that did not came yet?