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  • I agree, “The meaning of life” is more “The purpose of life” in the way I’m using the words, that’s fair.

    Can we have meaning without purpose, intention or aims? What about making meaning out of things that are essentially random?

    Humans are good at that. Faces in the Cloud. God stopped the bullet. I got cancer for a reason.

    I kinda wish people wouldn’t find meaning in things without purpose sometimes. Maybe they feel as you do, that by giving meaning to these things then they don’t lack a purpose.


  • Oh I could talk about this all day, picking about the language Wanna meet down the pub?

    Then I say failure, what I’m thinking about is where the outcome doesn’t match the intention which aligned with the purpose. Even in that scenario, we can make meaning form it.

    Illustrative Example…

    I meet Katie. I date Katie and I marry Katie with the intention of staying together forever for the purpose of raising a family and having a partner.

    Katie and I later divorce and I have to wonder why. On reflection I find meaning in the experience despite regarding it as a “mistake”, in hindsight, to get married. It has meaning in what I learned and took from the experience.

    Failure of a similar style but scale also applies here. If I intend to get up early and be productive, I “fail” and make the meaning that I’m over worked and stressed and need some R&R.

    That’s what I’m picturing when I talk about them as different perspectives, seperate but related.


  • I totally agree!

    I work with the mind for a living and your onion metaphor fits well with my perception and understanding.

    Importantly, despite common discourse, the deeper layers are no more or less real than the upper layers.

    They’re all real, all true, all just built on top of each other.

    Seperate to that point, I think there’s some real value in differentiating meaning and purpose, as they’re not polar twins, they can exist as distinctions.

    Meaning of something can be different to its purpose, we discover after its done. This is why Failure has such value in life.

    We can also make meaning of things with no purpose, why playing is worthwhile.

    And we can have purpose without meaning, where we know we’re engaging in boring meaningless activity because it’s necessary and functional.

    Where these two discussions overlap, is that something can have meaning or purpose to one layer of the onion but not for a different layer.

    I believe that we can use that as a reflective activity. If we assume all actions have purpose, we can ask which layer of the onion is driving that purpose. If we assume all activity has meaning we can ask which layer of the onion is making meaning.

    Thanks for getting my brain pondering this today!