This is an open question on how to get the masses to care…

Unfortunately, if other people don’t protect their privacy it affects those who do, because we’re all connected (e.g. other family members, friends). So it presents a problem of how do you get people who don’t care, to care?

I started the Rebel Tech Alliance nonprofit to try to help with this, but we’re still really struggling to convert people who have never thought about this.

(BTW you might need to refresh our website a few times to get it to load - no idea why… It does have an SSL cert!)

So I hope we can have a useful discussion here - privacy is a team sport, how do we get more people to play?

  • MoonlightFox@lemmy.world
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    I think certain arguments work, and certain don’t.

    I live in a very high trust society, Norway. This has a lot of advantages, but also some downsides.

    We trust eachother, our neighbours, our government and our media. Which is fantastic, and well deserved. The government deserves the trust.

    This makes it hard for me to make people realize how important privacy is, because they trust organizations with their data.

    During COVID, Norway made their own app for tracking who met to prevent the spread. Of all the apps in the world, Norway wanted to push about the least privacy friendly app in the world. This from a country with the highest press freedom and rankings for democracy. Most people though it was fine, because why not? We trust our government.

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/06/norway-covid19-contact-tracing-app-privacy-win/

    Luckily someone protested enough, and it got scrapped for something better.

    When I try to convince someone I have a couple of angles:

    1. You trust the government and organizations with your data today. But do you trust the government in 30 years? Because data is forever. The US has changed a lot in a very short time, this can happen here as well

    2. You have a responsibility for other peoples privacy as well. When you use an app that gets access to all your SMSes and contacts you spy on behalf of companies on people that might need protection. Asylum seekers from other countries for instance.

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      15 hours ago

      This is a VERY interesting perspective - thank you for sharing!

      You are lucky in Norway to have that level of trust, but I’d never considered the flip side: that it would create a dangerous apathy about privacy.

      Your two angles are great:

      1. This is so true but for some it is so nebulous, and it countries like the UK (and especially if you are white and not struggling financially) then there is an exceptionalism that creeps into the thinking. Probably because we’ve never been invaded and occupied. I was in Norway last year, and Denmark this year, and no one wants that to happen again. It seems to have shaped thinking a lot - correct me if i’m wrong 😊

      2. This is a big one - privacy is a collective problem. It’s a team sport. I have had some success with this argument.

      What’s very hard is to convey to people just how amazingly powerful and efficient big tech’s profiling models really are. Trillions of computations a minute to keep your creepy digital twin up to date. Most people cannot get their head round the scale of it, and I’m struggling to visualise it for them!