• TommySoda@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    The only thing this will accomplish is creating a black market just like every other drug. Don’t get me wrong, it makes sense from a public health stand point and it will definitely save lives that were cut short from smoking related health conditions. But as we’ve found out with literally every drug in existence no matter how hard of a drug it is, the moment it isn’t legal it gets replaced by a black market with a mountain of new issues.

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      it will definitely save lives that were cut short

      Sorry for being pedantic, but it will do no such thing.

      The lives rhat have already been cut short - they’ll continue being cut short. That time isn’t something a magic wand nor a ban on sale can fix.

      This type of ban won’t even try to deal with the existing smokers. The only thing it tries to do is stop the new geberation from becoming smokers by taking away access.

      Which will probably work, but it’s a stopgap - not a solution.

      I’d argue a policy of prevention, of raising prices, of limiting the amount of cancer-causing chemicals and of clearly defining and educating people about tapering off (including perhaps cigarrettes of differing nicotine levels like the vapes) would work better than saying “time’s up, young-uns 2008 onwards can’t get cigs”.

      I’d also argue a better approach would be a school lesson where kids try a puff of cigarette smoke, hopefully hate it for life, and never think about trying it again. Banning stuff just makes it seem cool and I think this rebellious aspect is what gets most high school kids into the addiction.

      Accessibility doesn’t help, but cigs are already illegal to sell to under-18s but we all know how effective that is at preventing teenagers developing the addiction. Altering the rule a bit doesn’t get rid of the problem of it not being properly enforced.

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        Idk if it’s really helpful to the convo but As someone who quit smoking less than a year ago after 10+ years I wanna say raising the price won’t help people not smoke. The amount of money I threw at my smokes was just someothing I always budgeted in and it just kinda fucks over poor people who are gonna smoke no matter what. I don’t think this full ban is really gonna do much for already existing smokers. Of course if the cost of selling cigarettes was more than the profit we could get somewhere but at the end of the day every industry would benefit from ditching profit based economics. Thats why I’m a leftist I guess

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    It is time to begin the war on sobriety

    Drug users of all stripes, we must ban together and begin the war on sobriety! People must be forced to use the types of drugs we want, in the amounts we want them to take. No one should be allowed to remain sober! All must comply or face a crushing police state crack down on them and their sober communities.

    Sounds ridiculous right? That’s you prohibitionists. You are ugly awful people who want to control what I do with my body. And its socially acceptable! Virtuous even!

    Go fuck yourselves. Fuck yourselves for the rest of your lives. Nothing lasts forever, not even your war on humanity. Fuck off fuckers!

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      This is exactly the effects of addiction on the brain when the drug supply is threatened.

      They are banning smoking. You can still suck on nicotine pouches.

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      Philip Morris International thanks you for your brave defense of products that only exist to create lifelong addictions, make unfathomably massive corporations unfathomable amounts of money, and induce severe chronic health conditions.

      Sorry it apparently didn’t work out for you; hopefully fewer kids in the UK born after 2008 will have the same mistake imposed upon them.

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        We could ban advertising and attractive packaging. We could provide non-carcinogenic alternatives like nicotine gum or snus made with synthetic nicotine so no profits go to Philip Morris. We could heavily fine people who smoke around children and other non-smokers. We have all of these regulatory scalpels at our disposable but for some reason we’re always reaching for the nuclear option of prohibition. When will we learn?

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      IN TIMES OF NATIONAL PERIL, ABOMUNISTS, AS REALITY AMERICANS, STAND READY TO DRINK THEMSELVES TO DEATH FOR THEIR COUNTRY