• teagrrl@lemmy.ml
    22·
    6 days ago

    just gonna post the same comment I made last time this was posted:

    the lemmyworlds and their orbiters are gonna be upset about this one

  • RiverRock@lemmy.ml
    92·
    6 days ago

    ❌️ “Violence is morally bad”

    ❌️ “Violence is morally good”

    ✅️ “Morality isn’t real and violence simply Is.”

  • pr06lefs@lemmy.ml
    4·
    5 days ago

    Sad thing is that Ukraine wouldn’t have gotten nearly as much support if it looked like they had no chance of winning, or at least resisting.

    I think the diplomatic logic is what’s the point in supporting a loser - your support doesn’t change anything and when they lose you’re on the winners shit list. If you support a winner then you may have a beneficial relationship in the future.

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
      4·
      4 days ago

      Ukraine never had a chance to win militarily, the plan was to strangle Russia by sanctions and it had the chance of succeeding, just the USA intelligence fucked up (not the first not last time, look: Iran) and did not noticed or underestimated Russia efforts to diversify its exports, and global south, mainly China and India, not wanting to be next ones on the US empire chopping block.

  • myszka@lemmy.ml
    26·
    5 days ago

    Doesn’t really work like that. Russians are not less white than Ukrainians but their ultranationalist ideas are not nearly as supported in the West.

    (Not saying Russian ultranationalism is better in any regard)

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
      7·
      4 days ago

      It does because whiteness is a social construct, Slavs were never considered white by anglos and germans ruling classes, they just get the temporary status when they lick the anglo/german boot and are used as cannon fodder against other Slavs.

      • myszka@lemmy.ml
        4·
        4 days ago

        I like how Russia itself is now pushing the agenda of being completely different from western countries while culturally being obvisously European. Soviet culture does differ a whole lot from Capitalist culture of the time, but apart from that Russia is not much different from, say, Italy if you compare the two with Japan.

        Also it’s always made me laugh how the term “White” has nothing to do with actual whiteness. I remember being in shock when I learned Asians aren’t considered to be white. Like have you seen Japanese or Korean people? They are whiter than many Europeans.

  • mrdown@lemmy.world
    816·
    6 days ago

    Ukraine was invaded, and Palestine was invaded so yeah both has the right to defend themselves

    • edel@lemmy.mlEnglish
      127·
      6 days ago

      Why too simplistic:

      Palestine got invaded, ethnically cleaned and massively murdered for decades.

      Ukraine was cultural a divided country where West and Russia alike used one band or the other to rein power on the entire country. However in 2014 the West overstep the pro-West, pro-Russia alternation with a Coup. Immediately 1/3 of the country got itself completely disfranchised (no vote, no representation, no even could speak its language) and a civil war ensured and then even that 1/3 got without no pensions or services. The sad thing is that the coup was not even needed since Viktor Yanukovych was going to be voted out in just 11 months, but Washington was not having it and needed its coup to put the alternation to an end and be able to make its long-wished constitutional changes to Ukraine . The rest is history.

      Russia is not saint here, not at all, but Russia did get invaded and massacred multiple times by the West and every single time through Ukraine… I think if Moscow have a bit if concern it is perfectly warranted. Ukraine should have done what Finland did in 1940s-2010s, side with the West but full warranties to Russia of being fully Neutral and away from NATO.

      • mrdown@lemmy.world
        55·
        6 days ago

        When Putin keep talking about how Ukraine is a artificial state and keep claiming that Ukrainians are just Russian by mentioning Kyivan Rus , I can’t accept his claim that he is invading Ukraine for security reasons. Kyivan Rus was built in the 9th centuries, the ancestors of modern Ukrainians were distinct, indigenous tribes who had already built thriving settlements and founded the city of Kyiv by the 5th century.

        • edel@lemmy.mlEnglish
          122·
          6 days ago

          Not a Putin fan, but that speech is taken out of context. He was making the point their history is very interlinked, and that it is hard to argue (Northern Ireland is indeniable Ireland, but its history is very related to UK so a compromise was made to maintain peace, can you imagine if Catholics forbid Protestants to vote there?) . Funny enough, most of Ukraine land was acquired/given to Ukraine while it was under some sort of Moscow’s dominance. The original Ukraine was just a territorial fraction of what it is today. Ukraine should

          Again, in the ideal world, Ukraine should have full autonomy to decide its future, but the Washington and Moscow alike did not like that. I am Ukrainian, would work for a neutrality formula. US does the same with Cuba and Venezuela and US has 0% chances of being invaded by Chine through any of those 2 countries.

          What I do notice is the irrational hatred of thinking the other as sub-human… I saw that behavior far, far more in Ukrainians than I did with Russians (at least till 2024).

          • mrdown@lemmy.world
            310·
            6 days ago

            I watched the whole interview with Tucker , I i don’t think it is out to context . I see no other interpretation to saying a country or state is artificial same to how israel call the west bank as Judea and Samaria and claim that Palestinians do not exists to justify what they do