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    12 days ago

    As someone who was forced to start using Windows again after ten years after ten years of exclusively running Linux: Why is it like this? Everything is so crappy and slow!

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      Partially because Defender does a lot of unnecessary work. Partially because Explorer now has Chromium under the hood of many elements.

      Also Copilot. Not even joking. Having so many copilot buttons in apps is not an issue. The issue is to actually try using it. Even a light conversion crashes both the desktop an Android clients too often. At this point I would rather have those resources consumed by actual AI running locally than on a crappy frontend. Pathetic.

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        Don’t they have the whole “copilot+ ready pc” branding thing now for computers with npus? is none of it actually local yet?

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          These are just NPUs. They can run AI models, but you are not allowed to run actual Copilot as it is a cloud-based product. You need to research and set up AI models yourself if you want to put that to use.

          I also don’t expect that [Chromium + idiotic webdevs] formula will not work on those PCs, so Copilot+ PCs will not save you from Copilot crashes.

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      I’m dual booting on my laptop cuz I need windows for something, but 8gb ram is too much on Linux and the same amount of ram is too little on windows, Like I have 170 processes and 6gb ram usage at idle with my apps running in background, very poor memory management.

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    I am working to decommission a windows server, which is currently using 500gb ram, and i have moved all functions to a different application, same purpose and very similar underlying methodology… 32gb of ram on linux. it’s crazy how much bloat windows admins are willing to accept.

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    Part of growing up dirt-poor is making use of any hardware possible. I excel so much at that skill now thanks to all the open source projects out there (the WM, DEs, distributions, TUIs, …). I can really squeeze a lot from a tiny host & having this mentality as a dev now is some times appreciated 😄.

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    I have a laptop with 4gb ram that i’ve been using kde plasma on and fairly frequently it just freezes or I have to restart because I had like 6 tabs open in firefox

    Although I don’t remember having that problem as much when I was on xfce, but I also might not have been using it as heavily then

    I’ve never had a similar problem with chrome on chromeos with the same amount of ram, I think chrome+chromeos might be more aggressive with unloading tabs

    Sometimes it does actually kill firefox but sometimes it just becomes very slow (1-2 seconds per frame) or freezes entirely for several minutes when out of memory. Might be just because the swap is really slow, but there’s just 2gb of that, why would it freeze for several minutes? (One time this was happening was when I was trying to compile llvm on two threads, I ended up having to temporarily kill the desktop environment to save ram)

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    My hope is that with the end of Windows 10 coming up, laptops with 7th generation CPUs will become really cheap, such as ThinkPad P51 and P71. They are a decent budget choice < 1k USD/EUR already, but might drop way under 500 with top specs.

    It’s not like they are useless, but the market for Linux users should be satiated quickly once a selling panic sets in.

    For most use cases, including backend development, they’ll be good enough for many years to come. tbh, I’m still happy with my i5-2500 from 2011 and 16 GB RAM, and that is with local DB, application server, IDE and everything running locally.

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      They already are. Last year I bought a 7700k with gtx1080 for 250, and bought a similar 8600k with gtx1080 for the same price around christmas. Those things run everything we throw at it, running Linux.

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    Well, Windows as such don’t need more RAM as some Linux distros, What is wasting the most RAM is all the telemetries, services not needed, trials, adware and other crap which Windows has by default when you buy it with a new PC. Windows need average users because of this capables to fix it, not needed in Linux. That is the difference. A gutted Windows is pretty fast, without all the trash which is loaded on boot. Eg,only diseable the hybernation service reduce a big part of the RAM, because it make duplicates of all open apps as temporary files, to load these on the next startup. same with the index service to find files somewhat faster, which waste memory to write any change to the index, not really needed in mdern PC and less with an SSD. Only diseabling this 2 services can increase the speed and respond more than 50%.

    But the normal user don’t do it and only claimes that Windows becomes slower and slower, because it is more and more filled with temp and trash files. That is the problem with Windows, because MS sells you a car, but by default with a huge caravan which you don’t need, that must tow.

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      Strange. I use Firefox with 18 tabs open right now, and I use 1,5 GB of RAM…

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          I know the feeling. Maybe not always videos, but I also keep some tabs open, that I have to get back to. Then, after a couple of weeks, I finally either bookmark them or delete them. :-)

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    Well, to be honest, I went a little overboard and installed Cinnamon on Arch. My girly setup with 4gb can no longer do push-ups with one finger.

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    I actually just switched from a laptop with 4G of RAM this year. It had a spinny drive so it was a little slow, but I was really only using it to watch videos over the network. This was all very snappy once it booted. Opening Firefox was pretty painful and would cause swapping though.

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    Man my Linux system is so great, I spend all my time on it to talk about Linux. It’s so great I spend all my time to talk about how great it is

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      Windows only mfs so used to being different levels of inconvenienced we can’t make a post showing appreciation without coming off as bragging

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      Honestly I didnt get it until I switched, but its fun to talk about. I was never really that interested in my operating system before switching, but now I’m reading a book on how linux works and genuinely enjoying learning from all these online linux communities.

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      Without Linux folk you wouldn’t have Lemmy. Nobody’s forcing You to switch, you can pay as much attention to Linux posts as any other shit you’re not interested in (that is, none) rather than making it a whole thing.

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        Without Linux folk you wouldn’t have Lemmy

        That’s the kinda arrogance that causes me to hate Linux bros. You guys are just like every other kind of bro.