• Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world
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    20 hours ago

    What you are ignoring is that despite that Hamas colaborate with non islamist groups.

    I do not dispute or ignore this

    The problem is that your argument is used to deligetimize Hamas as a resistsnce group.

    I don’t agree with you here, you are viewing this issue as black and white, ignoring the shades of grey that most of the world actually lives in. In trying to undermine their opponent Israel helped create a new one that was more violent and aggressive. It initially looks as though this was a mistake by Israel but it was the subtext for the subsequent genocide in Gaza.

    The point is not to delegitimise Hamas but to show how the Israeli propaganda and colonial expansion work hand in hand.

    But most people are not dumb

    You give people too much credit, the evidence all around us including but not limited to what is happening in Gaza should be proof of this. Mass media indoctrination of islamophobia over the last 30 years has achieved its goal of manufacturing the consent required to dehumanise Muslim people in the Middle East. If people understood there would never have been a genocide in Gaza.

    They undwrstand settler colonialism is one of the worst thing ever

    The vast majority of people don’t understand that Israel is a settler colonial state in the first place and think the Jewish population has always been in “Israel”.

    • mrdown@lemmy.world
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      19 hours ago

      I do not dispute or ignore this

      The narrative that hamas was created simply to oppose the “secular” plo don’t work because Hamas collaborate with non Islamists .

      In trying to undermine their opponent Israel helped create a new one that was more violent and aggressive. It initially looks as though this was a mistake by Israel but it was the subtext for the subsequent genocide in Gaza.

      Israel can make mistakes. Israel did not expect Hamas to become as strong and didn’t expect a revolution in Iran, making Iran the main backer of all major resistance groups toward Israel. As a settler-colonial power, the only choice is for resistance groups to be more violent and aggressive, but without retaliating on innocent civilians. The peaceful way was already tried. The situation in the West Bank is another failure of the peaceful method.

      Without Hamas, Israel wouldn’t have been forced to remove the settlers and rely on external occupation to avoid casualties.

      You give people too much credit, the evidence all around us including but not limited to what is happening in Gaza should be proof of this. Mass media indoctrination of islamophobia over the last 30 years has achieved its goal of manufacturing the consent required to dehumanise Muslim people in the Middle East.

      Islamophobia is the hate of Islam, not only Islamists, so Islamophobic people would still not support Palestine when the PLO is also majoritarily Muslim. Having non-Muslim resistance groups as the most powerful groups will never happen.

      If people understood there would never have been a genocide in Gaza.

      Wrong. If no countries had recognized and built relations with Israel after the Nakba, the genocide would never have happened.

      Before Hamas even existed, the Western countries’ populations were more supportive of Israel than Palestine. Imagine saying “I support Israel” just after the Nakba, where 850,000 Palestinians were ethnically cleansed, including 50,000 Christians.