Be aware, very old people die from this as a secondary cause from a primary of Alzheimer’s and other dementias. They just stop eating. It’s a misleading statistic to use to identify poverty based malnutrition. It’s a very common diagnosis in terminal patients. And the way US billing works, getting the most diagnosis codes recorded is important for reimbursement. It’s likely the cause for this disparity.
Edit: yeah 2015 is when ICD-10 adoption and cms billing changes went into play. And then the rate quadrupled. This is an artifact of the US’s dumb private/public insurance model for end of life as more people gamed the system for reimbursement. The spread of billing practices over time.
Why is France also an outlier?
Gave a detailed answer: https://lemmy.ml/post/46593201/25415914
Ah, thanks. I figured that, like the US, it was some kind of other policy that had a side effect of artificially skewing the numbers.
Dunno. I’m a US nurse. I don’t know how France does their death certificates. Wouldn’t surprise me that they’re more granular though.
wtf is going on in france
“Let them eat cake” moment.
Jokes apart, the children of the rich are obese, the children of the poor are too thin. Both tendencies contribute to malnutrition.
https://globalnutritionreport.org/resources/nutrition-profiles/europe/western-europe/france/
I live in France…
Ppl eating shits. We have sole stuff even Americans will have to take a breath to finish thoses meals
Vietnam undefeated
WTF is going on in france
They got rid of their monarchs, so there’s noone left to tell them to eat cake
I see that some people try to attribute this to older population and/or Alzheimer, but even by those metrics the countries above are pretty close and wouldn’t justify such a big gap:
As for the reliability of data, it’s from a peer reviewed study by an American university. If they had a way to make the China data look worse, I’m sure they wouldn’t hesitate.
You wouldn’t expect more (or less) primary causes if more secondary causes were reported in multifactorial deaths. I’d imagine the fact that in the US CMS adopted ICD-10 in 2015 and the rapid rise after would make that obvious enough. Unless you believe there’s some pre-COVID etiology for malnutrition that explains the jump I’m not seeing.
Why is France so high?
Probably because France counts their colonies as part of France. Mayotte specially has to be contributing to this
Gave a detailed answer: https://lemmy.ml/post/46593201/25415914
Yeah, but those are poor people, so 🤷♂️
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Data from authoritarian countries is less reliable
Part of the ideology of white-supremacy, is that proximity to whiteness means trustworthiness and authenticity, and distance from it means untrustworthiness.
So white supremacists think only the western countries (and their allies like South Korea, Japan, and other US military base countries) data and educational institutions can be trusted, while the numbers coming from any country opposed to them must inherently be a lie.
“Data from authoritarian countries is less reliable”
Uh-oh.
Please tell me, which countries/peninsulae on the graph are authoritarian, and which are not.
Authoritarian (Bad Guys) ((Not white))
Also being white is a weird definition. The Chinese, Mongolian, Korean, Japanese have a very white color of skin. Slavic people too have a white skin. But in both cases, they are not considered white.
Even Russians got kicked out of being white
Russia has always been part European and part Asian. The city of Kazan’ is a proof of that.
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Isn’t malnutrition also englobe stuff as too much food and bad food ? Pretty sure a big portion of thoses are fat Americans that kill themself with food
Putting the blame on individuals is wrong. Obesity is a result of endless advertising and poor regulation due to capitalism.
As tobacco I bet
Yep exactly like tobaco, even more so with tobaco.
So you think the main responsable isnt the ppl putting food in their mouth ? Or lighting a cig ?
No it’s not. Evidently you have never had a popper addiction, I haven’t either but at least I’ve actually talked and listened to people to have. You can’t just decide to stop smoking or stop eating, it’s hard. If you could why would people willingly become overweight?
i had. It s hard but the main responsable was me.
Oh interesting, I apologies. And I will change my opinion slightly, individuals do hold responsibility for their actions and they can make personal changes (wow I can’t believe I wasn’t saying that before). ALTHOUGH a persons views and personality are a result of there experiences. Highly alienated individuals who are bombarded with ads for junk food are more suceptibal to become addicted. So naturally that is why we see the US having higher levels of obesity. The government/rich people need to be blamed for this.
Best anti-capitalist argument.
When they counted, they counted hundreds of thousands! We didn’t count therefore the number is zero, well done! The good and simple people of Starvation Land can sleep easy knowing that no one ever starves in Starvation Land
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Usian nationalists might soon be telling each other this story, to feel less hungry…
It feels good to be starving, knowing that someone else is starving more
dark /s
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There is no information on how the data is collected. Perhaps China labels the deaths as heart failure or some other cause of death.
And like the other comments states, these numbers needs to be weighted for population.
I don’t have access to the source data since you need to register, but I would assume that OurWorldInData knows to aggregate Europe per population, and not just average the values per country. France is not the only outlier, there’s also Norway and probably some others I haven’t seen
That fucking makes me curious as I am a Norwegian and hunger and malnutrition is not visible. But 5 in 100000 in Norway with 5.6 million totalt population is 280 people. But it all depends how deaths are reported. In Norway the norm is old age homes, run by the local municipality and there has been discussion how the food served is not the best. And how the residents doesn’t eat enough. Also you need more flavour to make food palatable for the elderly as you loose your sense of taste as you get older.
How anyone can have infant malnutrition on Norway is beyond me. You have mandatory visita to health station at 1, 3, 6 and 12 months (and 2 and 3 years) with consultation from physician and nurses. They weigh and measure and vaccinate. We got state sponsored prescription for hypoallergenic baby formula, so actual malnutrition should be caught. But I know that some immigrant communities and “alternative medicine” doesn’t trust the system so they might be the numbers.
Ok, looked into the data and saw that there were practically zero until 2011 and a steady rise to 5/100000 annually for Norway. That is equal to 280 people a year.
Looked at national newspapers and found that following numbers: Between 2017 and 2021 860 people had malnutrition and starvation as main cause of death. 3790 had starvation as one of several causes if death.
These are all gearateic patients in hospital or assistes living. If you stop eating or drinking you will worsen existing conditions and also be more susceptible to new afflictions. Because of increased awareness to this in Norway, doctors writing cause of death has started registering more cases.
As I said as long as the numbers is just presented and not quality assured and explained it’s like discussing apples and pears. There is a problem with geariatric patients not starvation in Norway.
